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		<title>By: The Pollinatrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Pollinatrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Jon&#039;s comment about poetry, and I completely agree.  Personally, I can&#039;t help but combine poetry and theology.  Theology without poetry is brittle and hollow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Jon&#8217;s comment about poetry, and I completely agree.  Personally, I can&#8217;t help but combine poetry and theology.  Theology without poetry is brittle and hollow.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Doyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just finished reading Elaine Pagels&#039; _Beyond Belief_ (2003) and it strikes me that these conversations, including a recent, lively thread on the so-called &quot;errors of Gnosticism,&quot; are all echoes of a debate that commenced as far back as the time of Irenaeus and Valentinus and came to their fruition in the Nicene Creed.

Ever since, the mere statement that one is a &quot;Christian&quot; is implicitly theological--and political....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished reading Elaine Pagels&#8217; _Beyond Belief_ (2003) and it strikes me that these conversations, including a recent, lively thread on the so-called &#8220;errors of Gnosticism,&#8221; are all echoes of a debate that commenced as far back as the time of Irenaeus and Valentinus and came to their fruition in the Nicene Creed.</p>
<p>Ever since, the mere statement that one is a &#8220;Christian&#8221; is implicitly theological&#8211;and political&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Boatwright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Boatwright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always thought of the church as a sort of school: a formative place.  Also, a place of communion.  The mystics, both East and West, have brought a reformation from time to time to the religion as it tends to become cemented in some type of dogmatic assurance.  They have often come under fire for doing such as you well know.  It also seems that God may want constant movement in his body of the church and the mystics are the perfect candidates for it.  No doubt only poetry can carry the weight of spiritual experience if at all and so theology is a way of trying to nail things down more exactly to keep it in line with orthodoxy.  There will always be those who condemn but it&#039;s never those who have had their own mystical experiences.  It&#039;s usually those who refuse to have them it seems.  If one were to set out to talk about the uncreated light then surely they would fall way short of doing so.  Perhaps poetry can carry it but in the end experience recognizes experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought of the church as a sort of school: a formative place.  Also, a place of communion.  The mystics, both East and West, have brought a reformation from time to time to the religion as it tends to become cemented in some type of dogmatic assurance.  They have often come under fire for doing such as you well know.  It also seems that God may want constant movement in his body of the church and the mystics are the perfect candidates for it.  No doubt only poetry can carry the weight of spiritual experience if at all and so theology is a way of trying to nail things down more exactly to keep it in line with orthodoxy.  There will always be those who condemn but it&#8217;s never those who have had their own mystical experiences.  It&#8217;s usually those who refuse to have them it seems.  If one were to set out to talk about the uncreated light then surely they would fall way short of doing so.  Perhaps poetry can carry it but in the end experience recognizes experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another amen from me and a nod to synchronicity - A friend and I had the very same conversation this morning -- from  original sin -- to Thomas&#039;s straw comment -- and everything in between.

Being a cradle catholic and revert I think I have strayed to all extremes and keep coming back to IS NOW as my only creed. To me Jesus is a way - my way of life and love.. and  only know that I don&#039;t know much at all. 

I live by this weird line now - &#039;nonsense is sense to those who survive eloquence&#039;.

thank you for writing this heartfelt post!

and thank you to those who wrote the above comments (and Carl) -- I thank God for your very being --]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another amen from me and a nod to synchronicity &#8211; A friend and I had the very same conversation this morning &#8212; from  original sin &#8212; to Thomas&#8217;s straw comment &#8212; and everything in between.</p>
<p>Being a cradle catholic and revert I think I have strayed to all extremes and keep coming back to IS NOW as my only creed. To me Jesus is a way &#8211; my way of life and love.. and  only know that I don&#8217;t know much at all. </p>
<p>I live by this weird line now &#8211; &#8216;nonsense is sense to those who survive eloquence&#8217;.</p>
<p>thank you for writing this heartfelt post!</p>
<p>and thank you to those who wrote the above comments (and Carl) &#8212; I thank God for your very being &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Daly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie Daly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carl, your post and all the subsequent comments provide a lot of food for thought.  I have a degree in theology, an inclincation towards mysticism and a questioning but faithful adherence to the Roman Church.  I love theology because it is the study of God but must admit that at its more abstract and philosophical reaches theology leaves me befuddled and sometimes bored.  Mysticism, however, whether in the form of prayer, poetry, reading of spiritual texts from Dame Julian to Maggie Ross is never boring.  

Theology stimulates an active intellectual search for God whereas mysticism speaks in stillness and silence.  They complement each other and, hopefully, entwine themselves into a single spiritual tree.  They can only do this if love enlivens both pursuits.  

Re Augustine:  I can&#039;t remember the exact wording or where it ws written but Augustine, writing on grace and free will, stated that while we are unable to move ourselves toward God without grace &quot;neither are we dumb stones&quot; unable to move ourselves.  Grace can be sought, prayed for, accepted or rejected.  

A high school teacher of mine used to offer this little prayer:  Give me the grace to accept your grace and the grace to ask for more.

Blessings to all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, your post and all the subsequent comments provide a lot of food for thought.  I have a degree in theology, an inclincation towards mysticism and a questioning but faithful adherence to the Roman Church.  I love theology because it is the study of God but must admit that at its more abstract and philosophical reaches theology leaves me befuddled and sometimes bored.  Mysticism, however, whether in the form of prayer, poetry, reading of spiritual texts from Dame Julian to Maggie Ross is never boring.  </p>
<p>Theology stimulates an active intellectual search for God whereas mysticism speaks in stillness and silence.  They complement each other and, hopefully, entwine themselves into a single spiritual tree.  They can only do this if love enlivens both pursuits.  </p>
<p>Re Augustine:  I can&#8217;t remember the exact wording or where it ws written but Augustine, writing on grace and free will, stated that while we are unable to move ourselves toward God without grace &#8220;neither are we dumb stones&#8221; unable to move ourselves.  Grace can be sought, prayed for, accepted or rejected.  </p>
<p>A high school teacher of mine used to offer this little prayer:  Give me the grace to accept your grace and the grace to ask for more.</p>
<p>Blessings to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadwynn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shadwynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jo,

I love your philosophy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo,</p>
<p>I love your philosophy!</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hallelujah! Preach on, brother!

My philosophy in my nut-shell..... 

If I am not open to others, I may never find out where they are coming from.  And how terribly sad - because I might just want to visit there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallelujah! Preach on, brother!</p>
<p>My philosophy in my nut-shell&#8230;.. </p>
<p>If I am not open to others, I may never find out where they are coming from.  And how terribly sad &#8211; because I might just want to visit there.</p>
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		<title>By: Infinite Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Infinite Warrior]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;A lot of these dialectical tensions have been propagated by the world of philosophy&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or perhaps it&#039;s that oppositional modes of thinking haven&#039;t been propogated nearly as much by philosophy as by the near-abandonment of philology. Philology doesn&#039;t get anywhere near the airtime, certainly, and that is naturally where dialects, in all their glorious subtlety, come into play. (Not dialectics, necessarily, but &lt;em&gt;dialects&lt;/em&gt;.) You say tuhmeytoh; I say tuhmahtoh; and if no attempt is made by either of us to understand each other, we&#039;ll soon be in a &quot;chicken fight&quot; over tomatoes.

As it happens, I don&#039;t &quot;believe in&quot; the doctrine of Original Sin and subsequent Fall of Man, etc. as the church teaches it and so tend to keep silent on the subject with those who do (unless, of course, they tell me that I must), but does that mean the concept can&#039;t have some meaning for me relative to someone who does?

Origin: something from which anything arises or is derived; source; fountainhead. Origin-al: belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something, or to a thing at its beginning.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be also. Blessed is he who stands at the beginning, for he shall know the end and shall not taste death.&quot; ~ Jesus, Gospel of Thomas, 18&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Did someone mention &quot;Presence&quot;?

&lt;blockquote&gt;The distinction between past, present and future is a stubbornly persistent illusion. ~ Albert Einstein&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Origin-al Sin: to fall short at any given point in time of manifesting our divine potent-ial. 

You say Man fell short; I say Man falls short here and there, now and then; and, according to Romans 3:23, &quot;all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God&quot;, so we&#039;re all in very good company. Either interpretation of &quot;Original Sin&quot; can be subverted for nefarious ends, but what is it to our inherent relationship as members of the human family if you say tuhmeytoh and I say tuhmahtoh? &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Philosophy&lt;/a&gt; is the love of wisdom, not opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A lot of these dialectical tensions have been propagated by the world of philosophy</p></blockquote>
<p>Or perhaps it&#8217;s that oppositional modes of thinking haven&#8217;t been propogated nearly as much by philosophy as by the near-abandonment of philology. Philology doesn&#8217;t get anywhere near the airtime, certainly, and that is naturally where dialects, in all their glorious subtlety, come into play. (Not dialectics, necessarily, but <em>dialects</em>.) You say tuhmeytoh; I say tuhmahtoh; and if no attempt is made by either of us to understand each other, we&#8217;ll soon be in a &#8220;chicken fight&#8221; over tomatoes.</p>
<p>As it happens, I don&#8217;t &#8220;believe in&#8221; the doctrine of Original Sin and subsequent Fall of Man, etc. as the church teaches it and so tend to keep silent on the subject with those who do (unless, of course, they tell me that I must), but does that mean the concept can&#8217;t have some meaning for me relative to someone who does?</p>
<p>Origin: something from which anything arises or is derived; source; fountainhead. Origin-al: belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something, or to a thing at its beginning.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be also. Blessed is he who stands at the beginning, for he shall know the end and shall not taste death.&#8221; ~ Jesus, Gospel of Thomas, 18</p></blockquote>
<p>Did someone mention &#8220;Presence&#8221;?</p>
<blockquote><p>The distinction between past, present and future is a stubbornly persistent illusion. ~ Albert Einstein</p></blockquote>
<p>Origin-al Sin: to fall short at any given point in time of manifesting our divine potent-ial. </p>
<p>You say Man fell short; I say Man falls short here and there, now and then; and, according to Romans 3:23, &#8220;all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God&#8221;, so we&#8217;re all in very good company. Either interpretation of &#8220;Original Sin&#8221; can be subverted for nefarious ends, but what is it to our inherent relationship as members of the human family if you say tuhmeytoh and I say tuhmahtoh? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy" rel="nofollow">Philosophy</a> is the love of wisdom, not opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Soucheray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Soucheray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carl,

I want be among those who holds you up in your questioning. If Augustine, or Pelagius, Thomas Aquinas, et al, and (dare it be said) even Jesus of Nazareth, had stopped ever stopped asking questions, we might not have the bounty of theology that we have today. I believe a person without questions is one without a sense of mystery. And without a sense of mystery, how can we ever presume to strive to be in relationship with/to it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>I want be among those who holds you up in your questioning. If Augustine, or Pelagius, Thomas Aquinas, et al, and (dare it be said) even Jesus of Nazareth, had stopped ever stopped asking questions, we might not have the bounty of theology that we have today. I believe a person without questions is one without a sense of mystery. And without a sense of mystery, how can we ever presume to strive to be in relationship with/to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well written Carl! Down right inspiring!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written Carl! Down right inspiring!</p>
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